Scammer - Devas

[shimajer]

I will share my wonderful experience with this person, DEVAS. On Wednesday, he PM-ed me about my 17s M68s with tires. I was selling the set for $850. He was interested in only the wheels so he offered $600. I told him to come down and see them first. So he came down on thursday at around 10pm. He liked them and offered $600. I asked if he wanted the tires too, they were almost brand new. I could sell the set to him for $700, which was a great deal already. He offered me $650. I was like, whatever, you came down already, so let's do it.

At this point, he told me he didn't bring any cash. Okay, you didn't prepare yourself, that's fine, go to a bank. He asked if I had paypal, he could use my computer and could send me the money right away. I told him I did not prefer paypal because there was the 3%. I suggested (I am such a dumba$$) using Email money transfer because I've never had any problem. He came up to my apartment, sent $650 from his TD Bank to my email. He showed me the email and confirmation page. This would usually take within an hour for me to get the email to accept the money.

So I was being nice person, I let him go with the wheels/tires. An hour has past and still nothing. Okay, that's fine, I will wait until the next day. In the morning I pm-ed him, asking if he could send the email notification again. He said he would call TD. Once he called, he replied saying it would take another 24hr to send the email again.

The next day, I pm-ed him "where the email?" He answered he was glad the money WENT through because I would have to meet him in Mississauga. WHAT? I've never received nothing. He said he called TD and money was accepted. Did anyone used my email? No. Even so, I get instant email notifications straight to my cellphone, so I would have logged in right away before any hackers did. He called TD and said it's the weekend, so they are closed.

I asked for his number for zillion of times because the number I tried to called didn't work no more . He said I was threatening and aggressive so PMs would be enough. Funny thing was when Chris called, magic happened and he picked up.

I was really patient so I waited until Monday to pm him again. I informed him that I had a friend who's a police officer so he would help us in any way if anything went wrong. He took it negatively and said his step father was a cop too blahblahblah. I still told him I would file a police report against the whole situation because I was the one without the money, not him. All of a sudden he changed his tone.

On Tuesday, he said TD might have traced the money, it would take him 24 hrs to receive it. Okay, I asked if he could meet up the next day. He said no, he was on a business trip UNTIL friday. Then I asked if he could send me a paypal payment. He said no, he would get paid on thursday. He said he won't send me money until he receive the money back from TD because he had no money. So basically he's telling me he has less than $650 in his account.

I was furious at that point. I spoke to the admins and they were very supportive and cooperative in this situation. It wouldn't be hard for us to trace the guy with the help of Toronto Police. So I told him I would file a police report either today or tomorrow. All of a sudden I received two PMs and Two SMSs (no calling display info) telling me that it would be a disadvantage for me because it would take time to go to small claim court and etc. I didn't care, I just wanted my money back.

Oh, all of a sudden he said don't worry, I have the money now. Give me your paypal. I sent him my paypal and guess what. $600 instead of $650. Oh great. Then I PM again asking for the $50. He lied again saying we agreed on $600. He said I could get the rims/tires back and pay him $600..

Okay whatever, take the $50. Keep the wheels/tires, scammer.

Coles notes:
1) he sent me a email money transfer then cancelled it right away when he reached home.
2) he lied to me about TD closing on saturday on sunday. this was fraud, i am pretty sure they are opened on weekend.
3) he never picked up his cell when i called... when Chris called for me, he picked up and had a conversation ... sketchy huh...
4) he deleted his personal email right away from his e46toronto profile after our transaction
5) he said he was on a business trip on friday, but yet he said he could meet me on thursday for payment cause he will get paid on that day
6) he said he didn't have ANY money in his account after the disappearance of $650.
7) he then lied about $600 instead of $650 even though I wrote it down on a piece of paper the day of transaction.
8) he told me to come pick up the rims and tires if it was 650 instead of 600.
9) he said we would have to meet in mississauga but in fact he lives in thornhill from his paypal record
10) he paid me right away when I said i would file police reports by today.


i will not post his personal information because it's not appropriate.. but his username is Devas .. and if anyone wants more info, pm me. Oh , he's Asian with a steel grey 330 zhp.

Grow up kid, be a man and admit to the things you've done. If you don't have the money, don't buy anything. You cant just steal stuff from someone and expect to get away from it. And if it's just $50 , why don't you man and pay me back? If you were innocent and the whole situation was the bank's fault, why wouldn't you reply to your emails or answer your phone? You could easily logged onto different computer to check my PMs, but there's no way for me to trace you unless you use your computer from home.

[951kid]

thats a **** story....sorry to hear what happenned...

all i can say is - cash [even though this can be fake] or IMT. He should have sent you the money and gone home without the wheels. if the money went through, then he can use that and say "look i paid you, where are my wheels"......

good luck

[Devas]

1) When I left 320i place I went straight to Blackz30's house to pick up his Tires, and the EFT for him worked perfectly fine.
2) TD Canada Trust does not handle EFTs, Interac Inc. does, and they were closed on the weekend
3) You're calling me threatening me why would anyone pick up. Chris called after I made the payment to 320i yesterday, and there is no reason why i shouldn't pick up his calls.
4) My email is still there, no idea what you're talking about
5) I would return from my business trip on Friday, but was planning to do a EFT/Paypal on thursday. (Don't need to be in Toronto to do that)
6) Nothing wrong with not having $600 in a chequeing account
7) The transaction was for $600
8) If we can't agree to the price anymore, I see no other alternatives but to return the rims and tires in exchange for the money I paid.
9) Where we decide to meet has nothing to do with where people live
10) Explained to 320i that the money should be returning in my account on Tuesday, then a threat that 320i would call the police.

On top of all this, I mention whether you go to the cops or not, you'll get the money as soon as I get it back from the bank, I also encouraged you to called the cops if you need to, but it will delay the process didn't I? What kind of fraud do you know asks you to call the police? Also when I said I didn't have the money on me, i asked you to follow me to a bank machine to get the money, you said "No, lets just do Email fund transfer"

As for the $600 vs $650, thats a simple problem, come back get your rims/tires back and give me the $600 that you originally agreed to.

[shimajer]

The only way to prove everything you said was correct is to

provide me copies of

a) the first confirmation that it was initially $600, not $650
b) the second confirmation that money WAS accepted by someone else like you said
c) the online bank statement highlighting $600 has came back to your account

it's a joke. because I was talking to chris on msn. he said he called you ... then he asked you about the rims/tires transaction.. then i pm-ed you about filing a police report.. then all of a sudden, a pm asking me for my paypal.

Why are you still lying? The first time I called you and SMS you , you did not pick up. You said "you never received my calls and SMS", then i continuously asked you for a new number so I could reach you, then you said you would not provide me with the number because I was very aggressive.

So you lied to me that you didn't received anything but in fact, you just ignored my calls and SMSs.

And how are those police threats? It's been a week and I still haven't received any money. You don't pick up my calls and etc. If you live in Thornhill, why would you tell me to meet in Mississauga?

You're telling me to drive all the way to Thornhill and give you $600 to pick up my rims/tires. Who knows what you have done to the rims/tires now after all these? And besides it was $650 , not $600.

And I accepted $600 via paypal, which turned out to be $575 due to paypal fees and I did not even whine about it.

If you can prove me with those confirmation and statement, I will apologize to you in person and you can keep the rims/tires and $50.

You did not encourage me to call the cops. You kept saying, let's not make it complicated. You even said "hahahah, no need for police threats, they don't work on me" or something like that...

I said I will drive you to a nearest bank, then you said "why don't we use paypal?" THEN i said "i would prefer EMT." So I did not prefer EMT in the first place.

[951kid]

guys - settle this on PM and Phone - and post when the situation has been cleared up.

thank you.

in the future, i think it would be good to put acceptable payment terms in the FS thread to avoid confusion.

[shimajer]

on the phone? you're right , he will pick up.
talked to Chris already, this guy emailed him about "his account" being hacked a month ago.. all these bullsh1ts.. so he will ban him soon anyways.

this is what the feedback forum is for, TO post feedbacks and then for him to justify himself.


there's no confusion. i've been on the board longer than you, i know what to and what not to post. i am sharing my experience so in the future, others won't be in the same boat..


PS. how is this whining and BS? i know you're a moderator but ask the OGs, i've always been helpful to many since i've joined the forum. Even if there's a lot of whining and etc lately on the board, it's the new people who joined so that has nothing to do with this situation.

When I first joined, everyone got along great. Our old members would help each other out, not telling each other to stop whining about it. Chris was very supportive and helpful, giving me advices on what to do and etc. This is what the board is all about.

but of course, you can always close the thread because you're a moderator.

[951kid]

yeah? - how long before it goes back and forth before it becomes a waste of time to read?

the amount of whining and bullshit that has gone on recently has gotten out of hand. if this gets ugly and full of comments [which it hasnt thus far] it will be locked.

good luck resolving the situation.

and no - this isn't whining, nor did i say it was. but this forum is getting full of it, and hopefully devas can respond without it turning into that.

[Devas]

First off I wouldn't provide you with any of my banking information nor confirmation to someone who wishs to provide my personal identity with everyone.
Second, Chris called me 7:48 PM (Ask him to check his phone) and you send me your paypal information at 6:48 PM (Ask Chris to check our PMs), so obviously by the time he called i sent it already.
As for the fund transfer suggestion, I asked you for the nearest TD, so you checked your GPS, and couldn't find one, thats why you suggested EFT.

"Chris already, this guy emailed him about "his account" being hacked a month ago" Ask Chris again, and I hope he'll post here, I told Chris that I had lost the password to the orginal email i registered with this forum, so everytime I tried to reset the password, it would send the password to a email that I had no access to at the time. Has nothing to do with anybody hacking my e46 forums.

Ps: Your story is starting to sound very inconsistent btw

[shimajer]

Like 951KID said, I am not going to continue arguiing with you. We both know what you did and said. I am glad I got most of my money back.

And no, I would not have disclosed your private information. All you had to do was to blank out those details. I said there's TD for sure on Front Street, then you said let's do paypal. But whatever, it doesn't matter now.

My story is inconsistent? okay.

[951kid]

but of course, you can always close the thread because you're a moderator.

as i said before, even made the font larger, i don't plan on closing the thread as long as it's productive.


also, i was not referring to this as "stop whining about it" but that if it got to that.

thanks.

[shimajer]

no worries. :thumbsup:

Cash for sure next time. Even though another member got all fake bills a month ago from another member on the board. If their intention is to pull a scam, it's hard to detect it.

[951kid]

no worries. :thumbsup:

Cash for sure next time. Even though another member got all fake bills a month ago from another member on the board. If their intention is to pull a scam, it's hard to detect it.


on top of that - as these cars get older, you will have more and more parts being moved between members. these things are going to continue to occurr especially as the cars get cheaper and cheaper.

[shimajer]

well that is true.
but the transaction was suppose to be simple.

he sends me the money, he takes the rims/tires home.
then i don't receive the money.
he does not answer his phone or reply to his email.
i asked Chris for advice, he says I should file a police report.
then I eventually got the money.

but ontop of the paypal fee, the difference is $75 that he owes.


All in all, $75 is no biggie. I just feel like I will be losing way more than that and I will not be able to get a hold of him if I do not insist to file a police report, thats all.

[951kid]

makes sense. at the end of the day, it might not be the $ amount, but the principal.

that is a bigger piss off in these situations, but as you said, at least you got most of it.

once the police report is filed, where does it go from there?

[shimajer]

small claim court. and i will let me legal advisors worry about that lol.


yes, it's the principal.. it could have all been a confusion by the bank.. but by not replying to emails and as simple as picking up my phone calls and making excuse after excuse, I was already biased. The whole thing was too sketchy.

[951kid]

if this actually goes to small claims court, then post up the results....

[shimajer]

Well for $50, I won't bother. He can use it to dismount the tires or fill gas or whatever.

[Devas]

"that is a bigger piss off in these situations, but as you said, at least you got most of it."

I gave him an offer for $600, he took the offer. Thats ALL OF IT not MOST OF IT. And if you 320i doesn't like that, then take it back... Such a simple problem.

If we do take it to court, the same thing would happen, the judge will say give him back his rims and tires, and you give him back the $600...There would be no result to post.

[951kid]

"that is a bigger piss off in these situations, but as you said, at least you got most of it."

I gave him an offer for $600, he took the offer. Thats ALL OF IT not MOST OF IT. And if you 320i doesn't like that, then take it back... Such a simple problem.

If we do take it to court, the same thing would happen, the judge will say give him back his rims and tires, and you give him back the $600...There would be no result to post.

as i'm not a judge here, and simply watching this thread for entertainment, i think part of the price discrepency is the paypal fee.

anyways, that part really isn't any of my business.

[c.my.m3]

Holy crap...what ever happened to trust in biz & personal affairs...951 is right though guys...post the results and not the efforts. It is different when one asks "how do I deal with this situation before it gets out of hand" and looks to the OG's and senior members for support & advise as opposed to the show and throw up scenario of each conversation between 2 members conducted.

Also, new members (like me) :D come on board, and I am glad I read this thread and learn from the experiences of others in dealing with transactions. The other benefit is there is the mix of age, young and old, noob's maybe new to this board but can have lot'sa experience in dealing with matters legally because of their age or profession.

I hope you guys settle it out, Devas gets the rims and you get the cash. Otherwise, just agree to disagree and return each others items (rims for cash). You both sound "unreasonably reasonable" with each other so I think there's hope yet!

:thumbsup:

[Greddy]

650 for m68s with tires. What a steal!

[Santiago]

Here's a personal observation, as the E46 has gotten older and cheaper, the quality of the new owners has gone down. I've noticed this in the increase in scams and the increase in stupid threads in all of the BMW-related forums.

I've been here for a long time and would not hesitate in dealing with 320i.

[c.my.m3]

Here's a personal observation, as the E46 has gotten older and cheaper, the quality of the new owners has gone down. I've noticed this in the increase in scams and the increase in stupid threads in all of the BMW-related forums.

I've been here for a long time and would not hesitate in dealing with 320i.

Would suggest I agree on preference dealings with 320i too, bro has 3,400 posts to his name and I don't know him or never met him...What I do know is he doesn't want to look like a d-bag amongst his peers. He would do the right thing based on his level of investment he has made here in time.

However, Santiago - I don't think I would agree with you that just because the price of an e46 has come down suggests a link to an increase in scams, stupidity & low-class Bimmer owners.

I would suggest noobs entering an environment full of senior members of a forum or club purchasing items or selling items should be considered slightly dubious till they have earned their stripes and could be considered a stand up guy/girl. Everyone faces the same result of what happened here even when they sell in Autotrader or the Newspaper except their gaurd is up. What happened was a false sense of comfort because 320i & Devas had something in common - this forum...

That comfort doesn't mean sh1t unless you are dealing with someone who is invested in it - like the OG's or senior members/mods/admins.

My 2 cents... :Qboy:

[Qreus George]

I would support Santiago and his observations. Just take a look at the m3forum/net...IMO, it's gone down the tubes. I used to frequent the site quite often and now I check it out once every few weeks.

I'm looking for insightful exchanges as opposed to pissing matches and noise.

[c.my.m3]

I would support Santiago and his observations. Just take a look at the m3forum/net...IMO, it's gone down the tubes. I used to frequent the site quite often and now I check it out once every few weeks.

I'm looking for insightful exchanges as opposed to pissing matches and noise.

Yea but is that not the responsibility of the mod to manage...if the thread is gay then they should kill it or lock it, right?

Obviously members should contribute meaningfull threads, post accurate and articulate...I was always impressed with Gustav's forum m5board, they have a strong following amongst m5'ers and for the most part that forum has lot'sa meaning.

M3forum is a mess because many users string accross North America...I like e46toronto for one major reason so far...it's Toronto oriented, GTA and the surrounding so all of us have commonality. That is the single strongest benefit of this forum, if it grows beyond this in time who's to say the comments I am hearing from some won't be said about it.

crap...now thats 4 cents worth including the post I made above :rolleyes:

[shimajer]

Just to add to it, I've sold over 10 sets of rims/tires either on e46toronto, fanatics or maxbimmer. I've never had any problems. Lots of people on here can vouch for me. There was one situation in which the wheels were all bent, I filed it with insurance and paid the money back to the buyer before the insurance issues the money.

It's not a matter of $50 or $75. Like Dipal has said, it's a matter of principal. If I did not insist on filing a police report, I doubt I would ever get the money back. All I wanted to see was proof, but the buyer failed to give me any proof. I tried to treat this situation as calm as I could, I called him (no one picked up), I emailed him (no replies). I even said I would come pick up the wheels/tires if there was still no money by Tuesday, however he never agreed to it.

I will have to agree when the prices of cars go down, we get these new drivers who want the best but can only offer so little *lowballing*...

I was being a nice guy selling a set of m68s with brand new tires for $650. If I cared so much about the $50, why would I sell them for $650, why not $800 to begin with? I just wanted to help out the community and the new member by selling a set of wheels and tires at such a low price. And this is what I get?

Ages don't matter, it's the people. If their intention is to scam, then it doesn't matter how old they are. Sometimes I actually prefer dealing with the younger crowd because they are less anal about the parts. If they want them, they take them right away.

Once, I've driven all the way down to Mississauga to let the *potential buyer* see my 18s with tires, he promised to pay me after agreeing on the price. I even let him drive my car around to make sure all the wheels/tires were straight. Then he began to say "you know what, there's that curb rash I need to fix" and lowballing begins.. This was a guy who was in his 40s.. So does age matter? No.


I am posting this to WARN anyone who wants to deal with him. I am not here to whine over $50. After spending so much in modding my car and entering shows and etc, does this $50 matter so much to me? If you don't believe me, you can go ahead and continue to deal with him. Let's not make comparisons to M3forum, m5forum or whatever, that's just unnecessary.

And yes, this is coming from an OG.

[Devas]

This forum is getting out of hand, people are mis interpting what has happen.

1. The money did not arrive on time as it should have, 320i was afraid of a scam, and sugguested filing a police report. I had nothing againest that, in fact I encouraged it. There is no harm in protecting yourself.
2. You did not send me any emails, and I can ask the admins of this forum to voucher for me, but everyday since I picked up the rims/tires, I have msged you on this forum.
3. Its principle to honour the price i was originally quoted, and if its not correct, then take your **** back, and return the money that was sent.

If this was intentionally a scam, do you think I would have called originally for directions with my real cell phone number? use my account on this forum that is linked to my personal email address? Show you the confirmation screen at your house, infront of you in person? and on top of ALL POINTS you got paid! and if there is a disagreement with the price then like I said take it back.

Also just cause people join forums recently does not mean they bought their car for a low cost, and makes them low class bmw owners.

[Devas]

Such a simple mis understanding, and we already have 3-4 pages of bs.

[christyles]

Let's get something clear here...
Devas, you emailed me last week about your lost password and your E46toronto.ca account being "hacked". I replied to get more information and you did not reply. 320i, contacted me about this business transaction gone wrong with you on Saturday morning, so I emailed you again marked urgent the same morning asking you to call me from the same email that you contact me with... and no reply when I got back from Ottawa on Sunday night. And nothing in my Junk Mail box. In addition, in the 4 years this forum has been running, never have I had an inquiry or concern about accounts being hacked... considering I personally review every single registration.

So, 320i asked for my help and I offered advice. He provided your cell phone to me which I called and you didn't pick up. However you did return the call but you didn't know who it was that was calling you nor what I was calling about. So do not try to pretend that you knew why I was calling. And seeing as 320i had problems trying to get a hold of you except through PM, something seemed a bit odd and all too coincidental although I won't make any assumptions as I don't know you from a hole in the ground.

If you had issues with accessing your email, PM etc., you would be contacting me or the Admin to assist you in resolving it. Or you could have sent the Admin or Mods a message with your contact info for 320i to contact you as you had a transaction in place and would like to update him on the situation. There were many options available that you didn't exercise.

With all the other comments from other members etc, aside, I have known 320i for the last 3 years or so and has been a long standing and reputable member of this community. I highly advise when conducting transactions to do certified cheques or money orders as a guaranteed form of payment unless of course you know and trust the person. As some of you may remember that CTGazer had an issue last year with counterfeit bills given to him so cash isn't always safe. Again, use your discretion if you trust the person.

Move on.

[audiophilia]

This forum is getting out of handNo it's not.

[shimajer]

Thanks to Chris and Ant for helping out.

[951kid]

Thanks to Chris and Ant for helping out.


no love for the mods eh :thumbsdow

[shimajer]

and to you bro. thanks! :D

[civilian]

just so we're clear and i help out where i can. all td's are open saturday at least 8-4 and easyline the phone service is open 24hr

[ExCrEmAn]

that's right..I always call for assisting my payment...for this case,is quite popular about 320i situation...i always prefer $$$ cash instead of EMT or paypal...I dont mind ppl see those item first, but atleast preparing some cash..if you are planning to bargain,why dont you prepare youself...do you know that ,you are driving BMW..everything is worth it.M68 is OEM rims..$600 is steal price...if 320i post $700 for M68 with new tires..I bet so many ppl want that...$600 is quite unseasonable price for OEM rims with new tires..you are asian, dont be a cheap guy..if dont have enough money,just wait someone who sell it cheap... dont try to bargain unseasonable offer and scamming ppl...

just so we're clear and i help out where i can. all td's are open saturday at least 8-4 and easyline the phone service is open 24hr

[951kid]

you are asian, dont be a cheap guy...

i am not sure what this has to do with anything, but it sure is funny :yak:

[ExCrEmAn]

:yak:maybe you cant feel it..but I felt angry and sad...for real,he can afford 60k 330ZHP,why scamming such small amount and offered $650 but paid $600..how sad that what he did.I'm asian,I always being a good reputation out there...Sorry that if I say something wrong... whipped


i am not sure what this has to do with anything, but it sure is funny :yak:

[shimajer]

^^ Thanks! Like I said he offered me $600 in the first place WITHOUT tires, and I gave him a good deal of $700 with tires.. but at the end we agreed on $650 because I just want them out of my condo..

I had to wait one week for the payment and received only $575 at the end (due to his lie and paypal fee)..

[audiophilia]

no love for the mods eh :thumbsdowU suck. Buy me a coffee tonight and I'll be your fwend.

:D

[951kid]

U suck. Buy me a coffee tonight and I'll be your fwend.

:D



who is this? i see that your user name is rarely online - please refresh our memories as to who you are
:Idunno:

[mshaqo]

who is this? i see that your user name is rarely online - please refresh our memories as to who you are
:Idunno:

he's upgraded his title from Forum Owner to the e46toronto Hitman. will only log on when times are rough and people need some a$$ kicking. didn't you see his shoe collection? one for each bad a$$ beating.

his services run for $500 per occurance and addtional $250 for processing and management fees, payable to Moe and Ant Enterprises.

[Devas]

I've already decided to give up trying to convince you guys, 320i has a much longer history then I do, so its not unlikly that most of you have already chosen a side.

But just for public information, Yes TD is open on Saturdays 8am - 3pm and Telephone banking is open 24 hrs, everybody that bank with TD should know this. However, what most of you forgot to check is that Email Fund Transfer is not ran by TD, and is run by Interac INC, which they have no ability to make changes to transfered funds on weekends. Non of the 5 major chartered banks has the ability to cancel nor modify EFTs. (Ask if you don't believe me)

[951kid]

didn't you see his shoe collection?


i thought that the collection was for him to try out in the sex and the city sequel? :Idunno:

[asb9987]

SHUT THE **** UP Jer and Devas.

Seriously. You two are bickering back and forth like an ugly, hairy, smelly couple. FFS, just kick each other in the nuts a few times and call it a day. Is that really too difficult?

PS. I'm with Jer gay

[audiophilia]

who is this? i see that your user name is rarely online - please refresh our memories as to who you are
:Idunno:Your boss.

:yak:

[audiophilia]

...has a much longer I doubt that very much.

[audiophilia]

i thought that the collection was for him to try out in the sex and the city sequel? :Idunno:Now that I'm staggeringly attractive again, I've fallen in love with my metrosexuality. And I'm NOT afraid to admit it. I went to that movie and LOVED it!

:D

[audiophilia]

SHUT THE **** UP Jer and Devas.
ROFL

This thread has definitely passed the time.

50 dolla holla

[shimajer]

i am going to jack all your rims and tires..

[c.my.m3]

i am going to jack all your rims and tires..

Then you can sell them to Devas... :yak:

[mshaqo]

Then you can sell them to Devas... :yak:


LMFAO!!! thats jokes man. i highly agree to jacking them and selling them back for 650 next time. make it legit next time tho. write up reciepts and take lisense information. i always ask for it when selling anything over 500. write/photocopy info down for your records.

make both parties sign and date. this comes handy when/if needed for courts.

[mshaqo]

i thought that the collection was for him to try out in the sex and the city sequel? :Idunno:

didn't you hear he's auditioning for a role in the sequel film? playing a shoe saleman. very small and intricate role.

i wish you success Ant.

[ctgazer]

haha you guys are jokers....so you hear about the niagara cruise bitchez? :D

[fayraree]

this thread needs more gay

[Bi///M3r]

this thread needs more gay

Good 2 see your ready 2 step up =P

[asb9987]

Yeah seriously. Didn't Fahad offer T.Dot Bimmer a seat in his lap? God....

[c.my.m3]

Yeah seriously. Didn't Fahad offer T.Dot Bimmer a seat in his lap? God....

Guys - master of the obvious that I am :rolleyes: is there some inside joke with fay, if I read 20 posts 19.9 of them is referencing him being a pole smoker gay

If so, smoke 'em if you got 'em fay, if not I assume it is good'ole ball bustin'in

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo209/cmym3/MoneyMan039.jpg

joke...

[fayraree]

f*ckin hilarious. I promise you, this is no ball busting, otherwise mine wouldn't be so blue :(

[mshaqo]

this thread needs more gay

take one for the team fay....your the man the with experience :thumbsup:

[fayraree]

why is it that we chose exactly the same car? only mine was more manly with the 6MT

[mshaqo]

why is it that we chose exactly the same car? only mine was more manly with the 6MT

tooooooooo bad is doesn't match your ego, lol

its not FATE we have the "same" car, hate to break it to ya. i actually wanted white on black but couldn't pass out on the price of this car.

btw, i also have the hardtop, imola red interior, navi, 19's, 19's, did i mention 19's??? wouldn't exactly catagorize as "exactly the same car". and speaking of hardtops, its about that time of year again to put it on. maybe get around to it tomorrow. can you help me?

[Greddy]

^^Your car also has 19s, dont forget that.

[mshaqo]

^^Your car also has 19s, dont forget that.

YES, thanks for the reminder, lol