brake pads...

[db323]

Hey guys,
I need to change my brake pads soon. Any recommedations on where to go? Any one know how much cross avenue costs. I just needs the pads change cuz it getting pretty low and I don't wanna ruin the rotors, it'll get eevn more expensive. :confused:

[M007]

Get the hawks brake pads. I heard it's 90% free from brake dust. :)

[db323]

okay, here it goes. how much difference is the cost between oem and other pads say axxis or hawks. Also any shops can be recommended that does a good job at a reasonalble price.

[BlueSky]

i am looking for a shop to do my rear rotor + pads too...

db323 I am running Axxis Ultimate and it's pretty much dustless...

[db323]

how much are the axxis pads. I just called bmw toronto and the quoted me 110 for the 2 front and 106 for the rear these are oem

[Quickid]

how much are the axxis pads. I just called bmw toronto and the quoted me 110 for the 2 front and 106 for the rear these are oem

I got Axxis Deluxe Plus pads fronts & rears for something like US$85 shipped from zeckhausen.com. Pads from the dealer is a ripoff. Check out eliteauto.ca if you want to get it locally, I think they are in Scarborough.

[M333ee]

You know you can always ask Phil to do the pads... ;)

BlueSky/Quickid, how do you the the Axxis pads?

[BlueSky]

not too sure Eric.. I will give u an review after I got my rear pads installed too...

front Axxis and rear OEM feels weird...

[ianS]

I got Axxis Deluxe Plus pads fronts & rears for something like US$85 shipped from zeckhausen.com. Pads from the dealer is a ripoff. Check out eliteauto.ca if you want to get it locally, I think they are in Scarborough.

But I didn't heard good thing about eliteauto! :(

[christyles]

But I didn't heard good thing about eliteauto! :(
Like what did you hear. (please be careful with wording).
We don't want another Dissto incident thread.

[Surk]

BlueSky/Quickid, how do you the the Axxis pads?[/QUOTE]

Eric>>
I got a set Fr\RR Axxis Deluxe + from Raymond at www.eliteauto.ca for $72 Fr and $49 Rear I love them...no brake dust at all on my cross spokes compared to OEM Replacing brake pads is easy here's a DIY

http://www.e46fanatics.com/howto/howtodetail.php?howto_id=29

Quickid had them before me and recommended... :cool:

[M007]

Go for the best one guys. It's not worth to save a few buck on brake pads. :)

[Quickid]

BlueSky/Quickid, how do you the the Axxis pads?
My experience is only with Axxis Deluxe Plus. You have to bed them in properly to improve the initial bite. I'm running them with Zimmerman cross-drilled rotors and I love the way they stop the car. My current setup performs just as well or better than OEMs now. However, It didn't have the initial bite as OEMs during the break-in period.

As for the dust, I no longer have to clean my rims in between my regular carwash.


But I didn't heard good thing about eliteauto!
Well, it was Surk01 that bought pads from them and as far I know, he was satisfied with the transaction.

[Jersey]

i think breaks are a pretty easy DIY...hardest part is bleeding the breaks...you could always wave some cash infront on Phil and see if he can help you out on a weekend

[christyles]

Go for the best one guys. It's not worth to save a few buck on brake pads. :)
Absolutely. I bought some aftermarkets from NAPA/UAP. I have to press down on the brake more than the OEM pads. And lots of brake dust too. Pain in the arse for cross spoke rims.
I'll have to try these Axxxis pads next. And they' recheaper too then the other stuff.

[db323]

thanks alot guys I appreaciate all your inputs. I just need to get the pads done asap As I hear the sensor faintly.

[Quickid]

Go for the best one guys. It's not worth to save a few buck on brake pads. :)
I agree but "best" doesn't mean it has to be the most expensive!!! Also, there is no such thing as the "best" one because it depends on your particular application.

[Surk]

As for the dust, I no longer have to clean my rims in between my regular carwash.

Well, it was Surk01 that bought pads from them and as far I know, he was satisfied with the transaction.[/QUOTE]

I had NO problems with buying them from Elite... I installed them myself in my driveway (easy)

Quickid is correct...Bed them in properly and you will have no probs and OEM bite and performance (without the dust!) I'd buy them again :)

[oyster]

Darn,

For brake pads and rotors (front and rear), cost is $688.50 in parts

But the brake service special cost the same for parts and labour.

Go figure.

Where do you guys get rotors and pads from. I want to do the install myself.

[db323]

guys I just got off the phone with Raymond @ elite. He said that Axxis pads are the brand in the states and in Canada they are called PBR. I dont know if this is true but it sounds like he is trying to sell me equivalent ones not axxis pads. Any one know about this. :confused:

[ianS]

guys I just got off the phone with Raymond @ elite. He said that Axxis pads are the brand in the states and in Canada they are called PBR. I dont know if this is true but it sounds like he is trying to sell me equivalent ones not axxis pads. Any one know about this. :confused:

That is the bad thing that I heard about them... they are not honest! But it is just heard from other mechanic shop in GTA area.

[oyster]

Funny no street address on their web site.

They got Brembo rotors and PDR brake pads.

Should be good enough for street use and better than OEM?

[Surk]

That is the bad thing that I heard about them... they are not honest! But it is just heard from other mechanic shop in GTA area.

WHOA>>WHOA!! PBR and Axxis are the SAME company as Raymond said>>

www.pbrbrakes.com www.axxisbrakes.com Notice the similarity??

If your not comfortable with Elite Auto...you can get them from many other sources..I'm just trying to relay best pricing from my research..

[db323]

Hey Surk, Thanks for your input much appreciated and Raymond DID say that axxis and pbr are from the same company he was very hones and upfront with me I was just not sure wether axxis and pr are the same. The price he gave me over the phone was a very good price and I am just not well versed in the brake pad department, like I said I only know oem ones.

[db323]

Quickid gave me alot of enlightenment on this subject. Thanks bro. :D

[Surk]

Hey Surk, Thanks for your input much appreciated and Raymond DID say that axxis and pbr are from the same company he was very hones and upfront with me I was just not sure wether axxis and pr are the same. The price he gave me over the phone was a very good price and I am just not well versed in the brake pad department, like I said I only know oem ones.

No prob...Quickid was the one whom steered me towards axxis\PBR... he was the guinea...so I researched and found them in GTA...elite has the BEST price I could find...and they shipped from Scarboro for $10>>>Just remember..you don't have to get them installed by them..anyone can do them... :)

[db323]

No prob...Quickid was the one whom steered me towards axxis\PBR... he was the guinea...so I researched and found them in GTA...elite has the BEST price I could find...and they shipped from Scarboro for $10>>>Just remember..you don't have to get them installed by them..anyone can do them... :)

cool thanks bro... :D

[oyster]

The rear rotors are only available at the dealer. No aftermarket makes the rear rotors for some reason. Strange :(

[Quickid]

Please don't forget to bed your breaks properly otherwise it will perform like crap and you'll waste your money. Check out this link....http://zeckhausen.com/bedding_in_brakes.htm

[christyles]

Please don't forget to bed your breaks properly otherwise it will perform like crap and you'll waste your money. Check out this link....http://zeckhausen.com/bedding_in_brakes.htm
We're going to Cross today to get db323's pads done. But I think he'll pick up from Elite.

[Quickid]

We're going to Cross today to get db323's pads done. But I think he'll pick up from Elite.
Yeah but bedding the brakes is your responsibility. Shops will not usually do that for you before they send you off. Read the link and you'll know what I mean.

[christyles]

Yeah but bedding the brakes is your responsibility. Shops will not usually do that for you before they send you off. Read the link and you'll know what I mean.
Oh perfect. Excellent info. Thanks Quickid.

[oyster]

so which PBR did you guys get?
1-metal master
2-deluxe
3-deluxe plus

http://www.pbrbrakes.com/products.htm

[Quickid]

so which PBR did you guys get?
1-metal master
2-deluxe
3-deluxe plus

http://www.pbrbrakes.com/products.htm

Deluxe Plus is what I'm using.

[Surk]

I'm using Axxis Deluxe plus also...Metal masters are good also, but harder on rotor life...

**VERY IMPORTANT** to bed the pads in as per Zeckhausen link..otherwise poor performance and squeel..

Chris>> I could've done db323's brakes in the Oakville Place park lot for a 12.... Sam's a good guy and he'll treat you good :thumbsup:

[Jersey]

hey ian....how are the new pads man???

[M333ee]

Ian,

Tell us how dustless they are. Did you go through the pad bedding procedure?

[Chopper]

Yeah, tell us. I want to change my pads too and am sick of the copious amount of dust the stock pads give off.

[oyster]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7920328237&category=33567&sspagename=WDVW


apparently they sell their stuff on ebay

[Chopper]

Yeah but in a low-class Ebay move, they have fixed the price so there is no actual "bidding" on them. It's basically an advertisement, not an auction. :thumbsdow

[3xbimmer]

Just did my fronts 2 weeks ago
Brembo rotors Not drilled or any bogus ridges 79$ each
Can't remember pads but red box 59$
Get this Zero dust and no noticable difference

[dutty_mark3]

WHOA>>WHOA!! PBR and Axxis are the SAME company as Raymond said>>

www.pbrbrakes.com www.axxisbrakes.com Notice the similarity??

If your not comfortable with Elite Auto...you can get them from many other sources..I'm just trying to relay best pricing from my research..

I dealt with eliteAuto in Scarborough when my 2002 TopazBlue 325ci needed new rotors and pads. I ended up getting Brembo cross-drilled and PBR metal masters. Worked as good as or better than OEM. Absolutely LOVED :teeth: the fact that my wheels no longer needed cleaning as often with OEM. I believe the price that I got was pretty decent too... better than what the stealership was asking for with OEM parts.

My only complaint about elite is that it was apparent that they used an impact wrench on my OEM 44s... could see on a couple of the wheels that they missed! not major but pissed me off nonetheless. :mad:

Otherwise I'd go back... get them to hand torque the bolts!

Here's a pic...

http://photos.e46fanatics.com/data/3198/3079brembo_rotors-med.jpg

[christyles]

I dealt with eliteAuto in Scarborough when my 2002 TopazBlue 325ci needed new rotors and pads. I ended up getting Brembo cross-drilled and PBR metal masters. Worked as good as or better than OEM. Absolutely LOVED :teeth: the fact that my wheels no longer needed cleaning as often with OEM. I believe the price that I got was pretty decent too... better than what the stealership was asking for with OEM parts.

My only complaint about elite is that it was apparent that they used an impact wrench on my OEM 44s... could see on a couple of the wheels that they missed! not major but pissed me off nonetheless. :mad:

Otherwise I'd go back... get them to hand torque the bolts!


Hey Dutty, Eric as telling me about those x-drilled non BBK brembos to fit our lowly 323's. Sounded like a good price.

In addition to them using impact wrench on your 44's, Cross Avenue does hand torque.

They did on Audiophilia's & jerseys rim swap & Ian's brake pad change. I can't stress enough how good Sam & his boys are which is why we brought them on board to take care of whips without having to deal with carelessness and lack of inexperienced techs.

[alexm520]

not too sure Eric.. I will give u an review after I got my rear pads installed too...

front Axxis and rear OEM feels weird...

BlueSky,

When you are mixing front and rear pads, the ones that grip earlier & stronger (ie better initial bite) should be in front.

My hunch is that OEM pads have a better initial bite than Axxis and they "grab" rotors BEFORE the front Axxis start to work. Consequently giving you that weird feeling.


AlexM520

[oyster]

alexm520 >> you might have a point, I have PBR in front and OEM in back. Initial bite is less but less brake dust

[BlueSky]

BlueSky,

When you are mixing front and rear pads, the ones that grip earlier & stronger (ie better initial bite) should be in front.

My hunch is that OEM pads have a better initial bite than Axxis and they "grab" rotors BEFORE the front Axxis start to work. Consequently giving you that weird feeling.


AlexM520

Thanks Alex for the info, I think that's what I've felt. I'll post a review after my rear rotor & pads are installed.

[bmwboy88]

Approx. how much does it cost to have the pad changed so that I have an idea. In my mind, it would be around $900ish
:Idunno: :Idunno: :Idunno:

[ianS]

Approx. how much does it cost to have the pad changed so that I have an idea. In my mind, it would be around $900ish
:Idunno: :Idunno: :Idunno:
$900 is more than enough to have 4 rotors & 4 pads replaced from stealership! :0

[Quickid]

Approx. how much does it cost to have the pad changed so that I have an idea. In my mind, it would be around $900ish
:Idunno: :Idunno: :Idunno:
Just the pads??? Whoa... give me $900 and I'll do it for you ;)

Not sure how much the dealer charges as I don't go there much. Independent shops should charge around $100 for the labour. You can get pads for all corners for probably $125 and maybe $375 for rotors. If it's not in that neighbourhood then you're paying too much.

[bmwboy88]

From all the posts that I in this thread, Ellite Auto is the place to get the PBR Pads and Cross Auto is the place to get them installed?

Another newbie question, how do you know you need to have the break pad changed? Lately, the breaks feels soft and I noticed I need to press a little bit more than usual. Is this a warning sign that I need to have the pads changed?

[Surk]

If you inspect them but pulling the wheels and checking how much pad thickness left... the other way (but not recommended) is wait til your brakes pad wear light comes on in dash.... Pads usually last 40-50+k depending on type and driving style... PBR's are :thumbsup:


From all the posts that I in this thread, Ellite Auto is the place to get the PBR Pads and Cross Auto is the place to get them installed?

Another newbie question, how do you know you need to have the break pad changed? Lately, the breaks feels soft and I noticed I need to press a little bit more than usual. Is this a warning sign that I need to have the pads changed?

[glenspeed]

My only complaint about elite is that it was apparent that they used an impact wrench on my OEM 44s... could see on a couple of the wheels that they missed! not major but pissed me off nonetheless. :mad:


Using a torque wrench is not a problem if they attached torque sticks to them to limit the torque. If not, then I would be pissed too.

[tevie]

I need to do brakes too, from all the post who can do it best and the best price?? whipped

[M007]

I need to do brakes too, from all the post who can do it best and the best price?? whipped
If you can wait until next week, my buddy can do it for you cheaper then dealer.

[dadysev]

Here's how it goes for me. I was talking to a couple BMW mechanic friends of mine, and I myself have been fixing cars for years as I grew up with Mechanics my whole life.
These cars are designed for the autobahn. We have no road like this in the GTA. I have had my 323i for the past 2 years and put 80k on it. (love driving my BM!) I have changed about 3 sets of front pads, 2 sets of rear, and one set of rotors.) I have never seen rotors wear down as much as I have with out a single freaking warp!!!) I felt no difference in the awesome breaking when I changed the rotors. I was impressed. My buddy just bought a 330ci and sold his porsche after driving my little baby. He said the braking is almost as good as the porsche.
BMW boasts "ORIGINAL BMW PARTS" in motor sports.
If you go to Metrics for the OEM pads they are not the same as the BMW one even though they are made at the same manufacturer.
Screw the brake dust. I inspect my pads, and rotors very closely everytime I do my brakes and I am amazed how well everything looks. The car has 180k on it now and still performs like brand new.
I've heard and seen after market pads sqeak and make noise.
As for BBK's. Thats for the track. Those pads don't work until the brakes heat up thats why they are for extreme conditions. They look good though!!!!!
Anyways this is just my opinion from someone who uses the car and fixes it.
Thanks for your time!!!!!
later boyz.

[M007]

Brake dust is the worstest in BMW. When I change my brake and rotor, I want to use hawks brake pads. Maybe I should.
You were saying the OEM and BMW rotor have different measurement?