G35 vs. ZHP

[dieselgrl]

i just went on a test drive in a co-worker's G35...in my personal opinion, i would never get a G, but it is a powerful car (280hp). It was my first time driving the car, and i was quite disappointed with the acceleration...there's a definite lag in the acceleration. it handles well, but on turns i would have to say that the 330 handles better. we tested the performance b/w the G35 and the 330Ci on an abandoned road. we started off head to head...but the 330 was able to accelerate faster and maintain control....in the end...I was approximately 2 to 3 cars ahead of him. not sure if there were other factors involved that could've caused the difference (i.e. both of our trunks were empty)...

oh well...that was my thrill for the night woot woot

[BlueSky]

wow... G35 owned by a ZHP...
is that a coupe or sedan???

[dieselgrl]

wow... G35 owned by a ZHP...
is that a coupe or sedan???
it was a coupe

[7jkt1]

it was a coupe

wow wow.... :yourmyido Was the coupe auto??

I like the sound of the coupe, but so so on it's styling.

[dieselgrl]

wow wow.... :yourmyido Was the coupe auto??

I like the sound of the coupe, but so so on it's styling.
yep, auto. his car was triptronic...mine is steptronic. the exhaust is quite loud....I personally don't like the stylin...i think it has a fat a$$.

[Magnus]

i test drove the g35 coupe b4 i decided to get the 330 ... the G doesn't feel like it has 280 hp at all .. especially on Highway .. but i never thought its even slower than the zhp (235 hp ?).. and by 2 to 3 car lengths ? thats just doesn't feel right ... maybe ur firend forgot to switch gaer ?

[alexm520]

i just went on a test drive in a co-worker's G35...in my personal opinion, i would never get a G, but it is a powerful car (280hp). It was my first time driving the car, and i was quite disappointed with the acceleration...there's a definite lag in the acceleration. it handles well, but on turns i would have to say that the 330 handles better. we tested the performance b/w the G35 and the 330Ci on an abandoned road. we started off head to head...but the 330 was able to accelerate faster and maintain control....in the end...I was approximately 2 to 3 cars ahead of him. not sure if there were other factors involved that could've caused the difference (i.e. both of our trunks were empty)...
oh well...that was my thrill for the night woot woot


Your experience with G35 acceleration is the same as what was reported on other Bimmer forums, especially since you have a ZHP. Apparently G35 is a dog in 1st and 2nd gear and only begins to move in 3rd gear.

As far as Bimmer handling, not every 330 has a Sports Suspension Level 2. It is noticeably better than Sport Suspension Level 1 (I drove both on street and track), and I can only guess how soft non-sport suspension models are.

I always get a chuckle when I hear a commercial for a cheap lease rate of base 320 or 325 with no sports suspension at all, being advertised as having legendary BMW handling [Sorry to base 320/325 owners but you owe to yourself to test drive Sport Level 1 or even better Level 2 suspension to experience the handling difference].

P.S. I know that all car magazines comparisons should be taken with a grain of salt, but it is still a fun read (Go to last Page 8 and take a look under Performance column for each car)
http://www.infiniti.com/m/cma/i/pre/press_g35cp_automobile_nov2002.pdf

It should be stated that ALL other mainstream car magazines rate basic 5-speed 330Ci (non ZHP) at 6.1 - 6.3 seconds for 0-60. So I am not sure how Automobile magazines squeezed 5.9 seconds

[Magnus]

i test drove the g35 coupe b4 i decided to get the 330 ... the G doesn't feel like it has 280 hp at all .. especially on Highway .. but i never thought its even slower than the zhp (235 hp ?).. and by 2 to 3 car lengths ? thats just doesn't feel right ... maybe ur firend forgot to switch gaer ?

[7jkt1]

i test drove the g35 coupe b4 i decided to get the 330 ... the G doesn't feel like it has 280 hp at all .. especially on Highway .. but i never thought its even slower than the zhp (235 hp ?).. and by 2 to 3 car lengths ? thats just doesn't feel right ... maybe ur firend forgot to switch gaer ?

I'm wondering if the G35 is heavy to begin with.

[dieselgrl]

I'm wondering if the G35 is heavy to begin with.
it's heavy in the rear. if comparing empty trunk space, the 330 definitely is roomier. the g35 is also a bit longer

btw, the gas tank is huge on the G...i think he was saying it holds about 75L whereas the 330ci holds around 65L. i had a full tank today...not sure about him.

[dieselgrl]

Your experience with G35 acceleration is the same as what was reported on other Bimmer forums, especially since you have a ZHP. Apparently G35 is a dog in 1st and 2nd gear and only begins to move in 3rd gear.

As far as Bimmer handling, not every 330 has a Sports Suspension Level 2. It is noticeably better than Sport Suspension Level 1 (I drove both on street and track), and I can only guess how soft non-sport suspension models are.

I always get a chuckle when I hear a commercial for a cheap lease rate of base 320 or 325 with no sports suspension at all, being advertised as having legendary BMW handling [Sorry to base 320/325 owners but you owe to yourself to test drive Sport Level 1 or even better Level 2 suspension to experience the handling difference].

P.S. I know that all car magazines comparisons should be taken with a grain of salt, but it is still a fun read (Go to last Page 8 and take a look under Performance column for each car)
http://www.infiniti.com/m/cma/i/pre/press_g35cp_automobile_nov2002.pdf

It should be stated that ALL other mainstream car magazines rate basic 5-speed 330Ci (non ZHP) at 6.1 - 6.3 seconds for 0-60. So I am not sure how Automobile magazines squeezed 5.9 seconds
interesting article...i'd have to disagree with the aggressive driving part tho. i think the 330ci offers a more aggressive driving experience, but i'm biased :p it's not all about hp...some companies will overstate/understate the performance of their vehicles. look at what happened to the mazda rx8...didn't they publicy acknowledge that they overstated the hp on that car? ;)

[7jkt1]

interesting article...i'd have to disagree with the aggressive driving part tho. i think the 330ci offers a more aggressive driving experience, but i'm biased :p it's not all about hp...some companies will overstate/understate the performance of their vehicles. look at what happened to the mazda rx8...didn't they publicy acknowledge that they overstated the hp on that car? ;)

Agreed.... I have a friend at work, who recently got the Acura TL, and he constantly brags about how it's better than e46 coz it got 270bhp, voice-activated nav, dvd-audio, bluetooth...blah blah blah......

sure the TL will reach the next traffic light quicker, but when it comes to twisties.......hmmmm

[audiophilia]

nice comparison, Diana...

I had extensive experience with the G -- my wife works at Nissan head office.

Nice styling, great exhaust tone...that's it.

Definite lag, 'plastic fantastic' interior, uncomfortable seats, pretty good handling...

Opinion of course, but I feel the BMW streets ahead of the G...

[M333ee]

Way to go Diana! woot
It was nice to hear that your ZHP with only 235hp can beat a G35 with 280hp. I know both cars are not dragstrip monsters but it goes to show you that the BMW I6 with Vanos is underrated and the G35's V6 is overrated or the gearing is just not there in 1st and 2nd gears.

I wonder how it would do on the hwy from say 100-150.....?

[audiophilia]

It was nice to hear that your ZHP with only 235hp can beat a G35 with 280hp. I know both cars are not dragstrip monsters but it goes to show you that the BMW I6 with Vanos is underrated and the G35's V6 is overrated or the gearing is just not there in 1st and 2nd gears.
Right on...

[Surk]

Dieselgrl OWNED a G35... woot

[BlueSky]

I wonder how it would do on the hwy from say 100-150.....?

Track proven... Saridi's G35 exit corners much faster than my 330 do... even though I might have a higher speed during the corner... the G35 rocks from 100-180km/h... but the OEM non-Brembo brakes SUCKS so badly!!! :devil: Smokes came out from the brake after 5 "0-100-0 run"... :blaaaa:
I've it on video to prove...
I guess on a rolling start the G35 has more benefits from the 3.5L engine...

[M333ee]

I would hate to see a G35 Turbo'd :devil:

[audiophilia]

Track proven... Saridi's G35 exit corners much faster than my 330 do... even though I might have a higher speed during the corner... the G35 rocks from 100-180km/h... but the OEM non-Brembo brakes SUCKS so badly!!! :devil: Smokes came out from the brake after 5 "0-100-0 run"... :blaaaa:
I've it on video to prove...
I guess on a rolling start the G35 has more benefits from the 3.5L engine...
Dare I say it? Could it have something to do with the driving technique? Respectfully asked, Hannice...

The handling on streets was not in the same league as my FKd 328...

[Chopper]

Nice work Diana woot

We know that the hp numbers on many other manufacturers dont really mean much in comparison to BMWs. The G35 sounds and looks nice on the outside, but it somehow still feels 'cheaper' than the 330. NOt to say the G35 is not a great car mind you, but our preference is obvious here. :D

[ianS]

Agreed.... I have a friend at work, who recently got the Acura TL, and he constantly brags about how it's better than e46 coz it got 270bhp, voice-activated nav, dvd-audio, bluetooth...blah blah blah......

sure the TL will reach the next traffic light quicker, but when it comes to twisties.......hmmmm

Can a Acura guy also say that a 745 is faster than my RSX-S on stright line, but when it comes to twisties.....hmmmmm

An TL is a huge car when comparing to the E46. And actually, TL is originally designed as a boat! I dun think my TSX is handle ne worst than my 328i. Yes, it is FWD, it understeer on fast corner that E46 won't but still it can make a corner faster than my E46.

Also the JDM RX8 is really 260hp but because of the NA emission regulation that cause to de-tune it. But even an 225hp RX8 will still able to beat E46(except M3) on any road! and still have a slick smooth manual box instead of the slugglish one on the E46! :blaaaa:

[Chopper]

We should always keep in mind that BMWs are luxury class also so its not a straight racing car. We also pay for the quality craftsmanship, better looks, materials, etc. as opposed to just power numbers. Comparisons of speed are not why we buy these cars!!

Otherwise, we'd all be driving Mustangs, etc. :D

[SmoothMoka]

You know stories like these makes me fall in love even more with my ZHP! Thank you for making that fire grow in my inner being, I can't wait to go home and hug clean HER even more!...If you guys feel the same, can I get an AMEN! : woot

[Rice]

You know stories like these makes me fall in love even more with my ZHP! Thank you for making that fire grow in my inner being, I can't wait to go home and hug clean HER even more!...If you guys feel the same, can I get an AMEN! : woot

You're just a weirdo :D

[eezzie]

You know stories like these makes me fall in love even more with my ZHP! Thank you for making that fire grow in my inner being, I can't wait to go home and hug clean HER even more!...If you guys feel the same, can I get an AMEN! : woot Amen to that. But no hugging or anything like that. I just wanna go home. :blaaaa:

[dieselgrl]

You know stories like these makes me fall in love even more with my ZHP! Thank you for making that fire grow in my inner being, I can't wait to go home and hug clean HER even more!...If you guys feel the same, can I get an AMEN! : woot
hahahaha....i know what you mean. The attraction is just growing stronger and stronger....

[M333ee]

No humping like Ant. :D

[dieselgrl]

We should always keep in mind that BMWs are luxury class also so its not a straight racing car. We also pay for the quality craftsmanship, better looks, materials, etc. as opposed to just power numbers. Comparisons of speed are not why we buy these cars!!

Otherwise, we'd all be driving Mustangs, etc. :D
agree...it is a luxury class...but peformance is also a definite consideration in why we choose a BMW. BMW is not just involved in Formula 1 for nothing...they dedicate themselves to improving technology and performance.

[dieselgrl]

Dare I say it? Could it have something to do with the driving technique? Respectfully asked, Hannice...

The handling on streets was not in the same league as my FKd 328...
could be...i thought the other guy was holding back...but he said he wasn't holding back at all. he pretty much pushed the car to its maximum potential (or so he says). plus, if you were a guy woot against a female, why would you hold back? i'd assume you'd want to prove something and wouldn't want to get smoked.

[oyster]

I'm happy to see that this group still has some http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/images/smilies/respect.gif

I agree with IANS, depends on what you want, I like the TL also

when I'll be tired of working the gears and want a sedan with confort creatures, I'll get the Acura TL or another Toyota Camry.

Porsche and BMW are boring in automatic tranny. :zzz:

[two-timer]

I would hate to see a G35 Turbo'd :devil:

ditto ^^

Greddy makes a 350hp turbo package for the 350Z...so I hear. Same engine as the G35 right?

If BMW was only for go...then it wouldn't have the name it has today. I doubt any normal driver will understand what the big deal is until you actually drive one. Even in a 3 series that is 5 years old...the interior quality seems wayyy ahead of its time to me. I'm still fascinated by the L/100km gauge :D

[condition]

dyno proved.....bmw(drive train loss is about 15% ) where as japenese(drive train loss is about 20-25%)

so u do the math...btw...its manual vs manual

[SmoothMoka]

You're just a weirdo :D
Dude, I feel sorry for your ZHP...I think she is unappreciated! That's why she keeps on stalling on you. I think she wants a better owner.
Who's got first dibs on Rice's ZHP? :blaaaa:

[M333ee]

That's why Rice's ZHP is acting wierd. She's not loved :sick:

I felt so bad the day we traded the 330ci in.... :crying:
We even let her go with the damage to the back. :crying: :crying:

[Rice]

That's why Rice's ZHP is acting wierd. She's not loved :sick:

I felt so bad the day we traded the 330ci in.... :crying:
We even let her go with the damage to the back. :crying: :crying:

I'm giving her lots of love. It's winter, it's going to be cold so a layer of dirt and grime will keep her warm the whole winter :p :D

[BlueSky]

I would hate to see a G35 Turbo'd :devil:

There's one in TO... :devil:
watch out...

[christyles]

I'm giving her lots of love. It's winter, it's going to be cold so a layer of dirt and grime will keep her warm the whole winter :p :D
Looks like I'll be undressing that layer of dirt & grime the in spring. :D

[oyster]

Looks like I'll be undressing that layer of dirt & grime the in spring. :D

Let's ask Rost12 to start his fund raising campaign to the

www.theoysterricecarwashdonationfund.com

[alexm520]

Yes, I am biased like most of us here. :D And no doubt all of us read lots of articles of putting BMW 3-series (E36 and E46) as number 1, but this first paragraph is probably my all time favourite (decided to find the link when TSX was mentioned):
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=4195&page_number=1

The one consistent truism in the modern car business is this: To say unkind things about the BMW 3-series is to reveal yourself as an infidel or idiot. Possibly both. So pervasive is the acceptance of 3-series superiority in sports sedans that seemingly not a month passes when some carmaker isn't selling us on its new 3-series copy. Imitation remains the sincerest form of flattery. Many are good cars, some are good enough to make our 10Best list, but none beats the 3-series at its own game

Ian:
E46 can be ordered with 3 different suspension options and that's not including M3. Consequently, there will be varied experiences of E46 handling depending on which one you drive.
And as far as RX8, it is over 300lbs lighter than E46 with similar power, so no surprises there. E46 should be compared against cars in its class.

BMW is and always was about balance - perfect blend of luxury, performance, comfort, safety and prestige; after all, they invented Sports Sedan category.

[dieselgrl]

Yes, I am biased like most of us here. :D And no doubt all of us read lots of articles of putting BMW 3-series (E36 and E46) as number 1, but this first paragraph is probably my all time favourite (decided to find the link when TSX was mentioned):
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=4195&page_number=1

The one consistent truism in the modern car business is this: To say unkind things about the BMW 3-series is to reveal yourself as an infidel or idiot. Possibly both. So pervasive is the acceptance of 3-series superiority in sports sedans that seemingly not a month passes when some carmaker isn't selling us on its new 3-series copy. Imitation remains the sincerest form of flattery. Many are good cars, some are good enough to make our 10Best list, but none beats the 3-series at its own game

Ian:
E46 can be ordered with 3 different suspension options and that's not including M3. Consequently, there will be varied experiences of E46 handling depending on which one you drive.
And as far as RX8, it is over 300lbs lighter than E46 with similar power, so no surprises there. E46 should be compared against cars in its class.

BMW is and always was about balance - perfect blend of luxury, performance, comfort, safety and prestige; after all, they invented Sports Sedan category.
well said! i also agree that you cannot compare the E46 to an RX8 because it is in a totally different class....the RX8 does not have the same feel and luxury of an E46.

[Chopper]

I second that it is well said. The only real way BMW loses those top 10 lists in its class is when price is a big factor (which it is for most, mind you). :)

[M007]

Have much did he weight Diana? You underweight you. :D

[dieselgrl]

Have much did he weight Diana? You underweight you. :D
I'm confused :Idunno:

[SaRiDi]

it's heavy in the rear. if comparing empty trunk space, the 330 definitely is roomier. the g35 is also a bit longer

btw, the gas tank is huge on the G...i think he was saying it holds about 75L whereas the 330ci holds around 65L. i had a full tank today...not sure about him.

G35 can carry 76L.....but gas consumption is like 14L/100km for 70% city driving :^o:

[SaRiDi]

I would hate to see a G35 Turbo'd :devil:

This TT G35C has 350hp on the wheel, watch out :D
http://members.rogers.com/rumble79/C7FallTour/07.jpg
http://members.rogers.com/rumble79/C7FallTour/35.jpg

[dieselgrl]

This TT G35C has 350hp on the wheel, watch out :D
http://members.rogers.com/rumble79/C7FallTour/07.jpg
http://members.rogers.com/rumble79/C7FallTour/35.jpg
impressive...

[SaRiDi]

...but the OEM non-Brembo brakes SUCKS so badly!!! :devil: Smokes came out from the brake after 5 "0-100-0 run"... :blaaaa:


Guess it won't happen to me anymore. Now my new car has cross-drilled front BBK, and it's a 6 spd :blaaaa:

[BlueSky]

Guess it won't happen to me anymore. Now my new car has cross-drilled front BBK, and it's a 6 spd :blaaaa:

BOO to BBK & your new car... unless I get a test drive... :blaaaa: